Signal No. 186 · KNDS: EUR 6.6 billion for half
The price Berlin agreed for the Wegmann families' half of KNDS is EUR 6.6 billion, while its armament office holds up the Boxer order. The Bundeswehr retires its Chinese training drones and bars cars from some Chinese makers from barracks.
DINDEZGRD KNDS: the price Berlin agreed for the Wegmann families' half is EUR 6.6 billion, Handelsblatt and Reuters report
Handelsblatt 9 Nov, KNDS price · Reuters 10 Nov, KNDS price and Boxer (onvista) · Der Spiegel 10 Nov, KNDS price · dts 10 Nov, Der Spiegel on KNDS and Arminius · Signal No. 184 · Signal No. 183 · Signal No. 168 · Großwald 1 Jul, KNDS listing postponed
The price the federal government agreed last week for the Wegmann families' 50 per cent of KNDS, the Franco-German land systems group, is EUR 6.6 billion, Handelsblatt reported late on Monday from parliamentary circles; Reuters confirmed the figure on Tuesday from government and coalition circles. Der Spiegel gives the breakdown: half of the EUR 11.2 billion at which KNDS was valued before its abandoned listing, EUR 5.6 billion, plus a premium of EUR 1 billion, justified in part by the families' share of the profit expected for 2026. The purchase contract is to be signed in November. A briefing for the Bundestag budget committee had said only that the price was below the ceiling of EUR 7.2 billion reserved in the summer for a 40 per cent stake; it mentioned a package premium for a strategic stake and an unquantified premium for the families' forgone dividends.
The listing was postponed in July, when investors would not back a valuation above EUR 12 billion against the families' floor of EUR 12.5 billion, and the families shelved it in September; the state's entry price was to have followed the issue price, Reuters reports. A confidential finance-ministry briefing to parliament, quoted by Der Spiegel, says the families then considered selling to foreign investors, which the government says would seriously endanger German security interests in protected and armoured vehicles; the Czech CSG was among those interested, Der Spiegel reports. The purchase leaves the German and French states with half of KNDS each, where the June plan had 40 per cent each and 20 per cent floated. KNDS could try again for a listing next year, with Germany and France each selling 10 per cent, Reuters reports.
The armament office has held up the first Arminius tranche, 1,800 Boxer wheeled armoured vehicles and potentially KNDS's largest order, over disagreements on price and scope, Der Spiegel reports in a story Reuters carries. Agreement next year is possible "if industry moves", people in Berlin told the magazine. Rheinmetall counts Arminius in its own forecast: on 5 November Klaus Neumann, its chief financial officer, told analysts the delays came solely from processes on the customer's side and that he expects the order in the first quarter of 2027.
Signal › Once the contract is signed, Berlin carries the valuation risk the listing would have priced, while its armament office presses on the price of KNDS's largest prospective order. Reading the reported valuations as like for like, EUR 6.6 billion for half values KNDS at EUR 13.2 billion; at July's EUR 12 billion, a 10 per cent tranche sold at a listing next year would fetch EUR 1.2 billion against EUR 1.32 billion paid.
DEZUXSGRZ The Bundeswehr retires its Chinese training drones and bars cars from some Chinese makers from barracks, Der Spiegel reports
Der Spiegel 10 Nov · Correctiv 11 Aug, Befehl 159 and the DJI framework contract · t-online 29 Jan, ministry on vehicle access · t-online 26 Feb, Schwielowsee
The Bundeswehr is retiring the commercial Chinese drones its commanders had been allowed to buy off the shelf for training, because they are considered a security risk, Der Spiegel reported late on Tuesday afternoon; cars from some Chinese manufacturers are also barred from barracks. Soldiers at a drone exercise at Husum in early November were already working without Chinese aircraft, the magazine says. The public part of the report names no manufacturer or model.
In November 2023 Lieutenant General Martin Schelleis, then Inspector of the Joint Support Service, ordered that drones from states with particular security risks, "currently only China", were no longer to be used, because an outflow of protected data to Beijing could not be ruled out. In June 2024, on the recommendation of Wolfgang Jordan, then head of the Bundeswehr's drone task force, eight DJI models, the Matrice M30 among them, were cleared for use, and in November 2024 the Bundeswehr signed a framework contract with Droneparts for 500 DJI Matrice M30T, Correctiv reported in August from documents it obtained. The Chinese types were chosen because German or European alternatives of comparable quality and price were lacking, it reported.
On cars, a ministry spokesman said in January that there were "access bans for certain vehicle types for special security areas", and "at present" no blanket bans on private use by service members. In February t-online reported that the barriers at the Operational Command in Schwielowsee stayed down for Chinese cars more and more often.
Signal › Retiring the drones reopens the supply question the 2024 clearance settled by buying Chinese: by Correctiv's account, no German or European model then matched them on quality and price. Whether the 500 Matrice M30T under the framework contract go too, or only commanders' own purchases, is not in the public part of the report.
PLBATL Kosiniak-Kamysz says the Pentagon backs a permanent US base in Poland, with the decision left to Trump
Polsat News 10 Nov, press conference · Defence24 10 Nov, Hegseth · Defence24 10 Nov, review timing · Polsat News 10 Nov, before the visit · Signal No. 133 · Signal No. 149
There is "a green light from the Pentagon" for a permanent US base in Poland, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz, the defence minister, said in Washington on Tuesday evening after meeting Pete Hegseth; the final decision, he said, will rest with Donald Trump. He called the visit a breakthrough. At the start of the talks he said the two ministries were holding a fruitful dialogue on strengthening the permanent US presence, that details would be made public soon, and he thanked Hegseth for work on implementing Trump's announcement of an additional 5,000 US soldiers in Poland. On Monday he described it as the visit that "precedes the final stage" of the review of US forces in Europe, which is due to end at the close of the year. At least four option sets were due with Hegseth by 6 November under the review's terms of reference, which Reuters saw in August. On 17 September Trump posted that "major progress" was being made toward a US Army base in Poland and that "if this happens, the location will be announced very soon"; Warsaw has said it is prepared to spend around USD 4 billion on a base, Stars and Stripes reported.
Hegseth's reported remarks dealt with industry. He said he would sign a declaration of intent with Kosiniak-Kamysz on closer defence-industrial cooperation, that the United States was proud Poland had been chosen to host the PAC-3 missile service centre, and that the two countries were developing component production lines and examining joint production of ammunition both need. Defence24's account of his remarks does not mention the base.
Signal › The base rests so far on the Polish account: Hegseth's reported words cover the industry declaration and the PAC-3 centre, and the decision is reserved to Trump, with the review of US forces in Europe running to the end of the year. A named site, unit or troop number from Washington would be the US side's own commitment.
DINC4IDEZ Hensoldt sets a EUR 10 billion revenue ambition for 2035 and confirms EUR 6 billion for 2030
Hensoldt 10 Nov, capital markets day · Hensoldt 31 Jul, half-year results · Signal No. 183
Hensoldt set out a revenue ambition of EUR 10 billion for 2035 at its capital markets day in London on Tuesday and confirmed EUR 6 billion for 2030, against about EUR 2.8 billion expected this year. It now expects revenue to grow by 15 to 20 per cent a year in 2027 and 2028 and by more than 20 per cent towards the end of the decade, with the adjusted EBITDA margin rising by about 50 basis points a year to about 21 per cent in 2030. The order backlog stood at a record EUR 10.37 billion on 30 September, little changed from EUR 10.36 billion at the end of June, and the company puts its unweighted pipeline for 2027 to 2032 at about EUR 110 billion. Capacity is to step up by mid-2027, including a new air-defence radar site starting series production in the second quarter of 2027, and staff are to rise from about 10,600 to about 14,000 in 2029.
The release grounds the plan in NATO's 3.5 per cent core-defence commitment and the federal financial plan, which provides more than EUR 180 billion for defence in 2030 against about EUR 108 billion this year, and the company expects its addressable market in defence electronics to grow by about 10 per cent a year to about EUR 76 billion by 2031. Exports from Germany made up just over 30 per cent of group revenue in 2025; in the long term about half of revenue is to come from customers outside Germany, with the rest of Europe, India and Canada named, helped by stronger government support for government-to-government sales. "Decisions on many of the programmes that will shape our business in the 2030s will be taken soon," said Oliver Dörre, the chief executive. Last Thursday Hensoldt raised its 2026 guidance after a 77 per cent rise in nine-month orders.
Signal › The 2030 figure is back-loaded. At 15 to 20 per cent a year in 2027 and 2028, revenue reaches about EUR 3.7 to 4.0 billion, so EUR 6 billion needs 22 to 27 per cent a year in 2029 and 2030, against about 14 per cent a year for the federal defence line the release cites. After 2030 the 2035 figure takes about 11 per cent a year, close to the market growth the company expects.
DIPINTATL Europeans meet the US and Ukraine in Abu Dhabi before the trilateral with Russia, which they did not join
European Commission 10 Nov, statement on the Abu Dhabi meeting · NBC News 10 Nov · CBS News (AP) 10 Nov, Lavrov · Zelenskyy on Telegram 10 Nov · LRT 10 Nov, Budrys · Signal No. 184 · Signal No. 185
The first day in Abu Dhabi opened with a meeting of the Ukrainian team, the US envoys and representatives of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, NATO and the European Commission, said Rustem Umerov, who leads Ukraine's delegation. The US–Ukraine–Russia talks that followed ran for nearly four hours, RIA Novosti reported, and resume on Wednesday, according to Ukraine's foreign intelligence service; no meeting between the Europeans and the Russian delegation has been reported. The Commission's statement says the first meeting was held "ahead of the upcoming trilateral discussions with Russia" and covered "how to build upon existing European security institutions and agreements following the conclusion of the war in Ukraine". It lists as shared objectives "a practical and mutually reinforcing security framework" for Ukraine that "builds the confidence necessary to reach a negotiated settlement", and "broader multilateral discussions involving European partners"; it records support for security guarantees "as part of any settlement". Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the trilateral constructive and fairly substantive; it covered prisoner releases and the content of security guarantees for Ukraine, he wrote.
Jared Kushner told the opening session that the aim was "a new framework and a new understanding building upon the different institutions and understandings of the past". On Monday he had written that the talks would set the stage for direct engagement between Russia and the Europeans "to begin in the near future, as part of a broader multilateral process"; his post of last Thursday had called creating the right structure "critical to ending this war". On Friday Stefan Kornelius, the German government spokesman, said the war must end before a European security order is discussed. Russia has objected to European involvement in the three-way format but said EU representatives could join at a later stage, NBC reports. Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister, rejected European demands for a ceasefire and accused Brussels of trying to "buy time" for Kyiv. Kęstutis Budrys, Lithuania's foreign minister, called any return to "the era of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe", the 1990 treaty capping tanks, artillery and combat aircraft in Europe, which Russia left in 2023, fundamentally unacceptable and said talks on new European arrangements should begin only after a ceasefire and agreement on peace terms and security guarantees for Kyiv.
Signal › The Commission's statement is a readout, not a joint text. On its account the participants, the US envoys among them, placed Europe's institutions "following the conclusion of the war", the order Kornelius set on Friday and Budrys on Tuesday, while guarantees for Ukraine stay "part of any settlement". Kushner's post had put the European structure inside the settlement; a US readout repeating the post-war wording would show that order accepted on both sides of the table.
GRZPLB Poland charges two Ukrainians with spying for Russia and burning cars fitted with Ukrainian-army-style plates
ABW 10 Nov · Notes from Poland 10 Nov
Two Ukrainian citizens, aged 24 and 25, detained by the Internal Security Agency (ABW) in Mińsk Mazowiecki on 3 November, have been charged with espionage and sabotage on behalf of Russian intelligence, the agency said on Tuesday. According to the investigation, they reconnoitred critical infrastructure and military sites across Poland on the services' instructions and set vehicles on fire after changing the number plates to resemble those of Ukrainian army vehicles. The ABW says this may have been meant to hide the real background and direct suspicion at the Ukrainian side; the National Prosecutor's Office says the arson was "aimed at fueling anti-Ukrainian sentiment". The two were paid partly in cryptocurrency. The sabotage charge carries ten years to life, and a court has ordered three months' pre-trial detention.
In a separate case, four men, three Ukrainians and a Belarusian, are on trial in Warsaw, accused of arson attacks in Poland and Lithuania on Russia's behalf, Notes from Poland reports.
Signal › The ABW published the attribution to Russia's services with the charges; without it, the arrest of two Ukrainians would itself serve the purpose prosecutors ascribe to the arson.
Procurement · Industry · Capability
GRDDINDEZ Diehl opens a shell-body line for Nammo's DiNa 155 mm round at Röthenbach; pilot production began in October
Diehl Metall and Diehl Defence inaugurated a line for the shell bodies of the DiNa 155 mm artillery projectile, developed by Nammo, at Röthenbach an der Pegnitz on Tuesday, with the German and Norwegian defence ministries present. A 7,000-square-metre hall has been converted since June 2024, and pilot-series production began in October; the investment is in the mid double-digit millions of euros. The line follows an order placed in 2024, the largest artillery-ammunition order in Diehl Defence's history, and framework agreements let Germany and partner nations call off DiNa rounds and components. No annual capacity was given.
SPCC4I France awards the Iris contract: two optical satellites to replace CSO by 2035
The armament directorate awarded Airbus Defence and Space and Thales Alenia Space the contract to build two Iris military observation satellites on 5 November, it announced on Monday evening. They are to replace the three CSO satellites of the Musis system by 2035, with the first in service around 2033. Airbus puts the contract, which runs to the end of the 2030s, at more than EUR 1.5 billion for the consortium. Musis has eight European partners, and the directorate says Iris is open to cooperation. The programme is unrelated to the EU's IRIS² communications constellation and to the IRIS-T air-defence missile.
SEAUXS Britain's defence ministry picks Ocean Infinity for Atlantic Net, a GBP 90 million submarine-detection network
The Ministry of Defence has picked Ocean Infinity Solutions for Atlantic Net, a GBP 90 million network of uncrewed systems, sensors and AI to detect submarines and protect undersea cables in the North Atlantic, UK Defence Journal reports. The company will own and operate the platforms under naval oversight. In the second phase, Atlantic Bastion, the Royal Navy would operate government-owned Type 92 uncrewed surface vessels and Type 93 uncrewed underwater vehicles; Kongsberg offered its Arctic Hunter for Type 92 on Monday.
Forward Look
Wednesday 11 November: the second day of talks in Abu Dhabi (NBC News 10 Nov). 11–12 November: Nordic defence ministers meet in Oslo, the last meeting under Norway's chair; Sweden takes over on 1 January (Swedish government 10 Nov).
Further out. November: the KNDS purchase contract (Handelsblatt 9 Nov). 12 November: the Folketing's first reading of the Greenland agreement (Sermitsiaq 2 Nov). 12–13 November: the Bundestag budget committee's final mark-up session on the 2027 budget (Bundestag 6 Nov). 13 November: the informal European Council in Dublin, with time set aside for the EU's role in the talks (Kyiv Independent 6 Nov). 17 November: the Ukraine Defence Contact Group at NATO headquarters, convened by Britain and Germany (Ukrainska Pravda 29 Oct); EU defence ministers meet (Irish Council Presidency). 19 November: the Folketing's final vote on the Greenland agreement (Ritzau 22 Oct); the Coalition of the Willing in Berlin (Ukrinform 3 Nov). 26–27 November: Rheinmetall's capital markets day (dpa-AFX 5 Nov). 11 December: the US stopgap expires (White House).
Exercises. New: Dynamic Merlin 26, NATO's anti-submarine exercise in the Baltic off Sweden, with German and Swedish submarines, Standing NATO Maritime Group One and maritime patrol aircraft from France, Germany, Sweden and Britain, 9–13 November (UK Defence Journal 9 Nov). Full calendar: Großwald NATO Exercises 2026.